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Old 18th November 2009, 2:51 AM
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Just a quick question, and I assume this is the place to ask.

Is Extrasensory worth it on a Togekiss special sweeper?

Right now, I run:

Togekiss@ Leftovers
Serene Grace
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4 HP/252 SpA/ 252 Spe

Air Slash
Thunder Wave
Aura Sphere
Roost

Thunder Wave to paralyze what it can, Aura Sphere to help with Steels, Roost + Leftovers for some longevity, and Air Slash for STAB and a nasty flinch rate.

I'm considering re-breeding when HG/SS are out or trading for one from someone that imported the game to replace Roost with Extrasensory, for an added attack, more flinching, and a generally more annoying mid-game stall/sweeper. Thoughts?
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Old 18th November 2009, 3:43 AM
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Air Slash does better at stalling. Covers more types, better flinch rate and has STAB boost.

You should stick with Roost. Since I don't get much point using Extrasensory other than hitting the occasional Poison type. (Weezing, Toxicroak)
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Old 19th November 2009, 7:47 PM
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Well, my friend has been into pokemon lately(almost too much), so he asked me to battle him in a 2 vs. 2 in 'pure brute mode', or, in other words, that we simply try to k.o. each other's pokemon without any tactical aspects expect, well, pure brute. Since he is a charizard fanatic(just like I am a chimchar one),
I think its granted he will use one.

Unfortunately, I have no clue what his second pokemon might be, but I think I might fairly well start pointing fingers towards empoleon.

(I looked around and didn't find anyone mentioning a choice scarf gyara, so...)

Gyarados @ Choice scarf
Jolly @ Intimidate(duh)
4 Hp, 252 Attack, 252 Speed
-Waterfall
-Ice fang
-Return
-Stone Edge/Earthquake


Gyarados is the classic opening theme against Charizard. While I have shown my opponent the fact I have a choice scarf, he will assume I will use special attacks, since he doesn't get to do much deep research.
Waterfall is powerful, and with STAB, it reaches 120 base power. Aqua tail is a useless trade, since it has 10% less accuracy, no chance for flinch, and only 15 more total power(STAB included). Ice fang is there really only as a filler, but it can be good against dragonair, another pokemon Gyarados is more than likely to encounter. Return has a perfect coverage in OU/UU/NU enirovment, expect for shedinja and Empoleon, and my opponent would never use the former, leaving the last space with two options. Stone Edge is there for Charizard, although Waterfall beats said pokemon up fairly good anyway, while Earthquake is good against a possibly oncoming Empoleon.

Another useful fact is that gyarados has Intimidate, something that lowers Charizard physical variants.

I'll bring the next one later, should this one get comments.
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how much do you know about your friend. does he ev train? is he smart enough to bring 1 physical attacker and 1 special? what is a possible third pokemon he would bring? those are all questions you should figure out. they will help. if he doesnt ev train, then you will own him if you do. if he brings, say, two special attackers, then bring gallade, who has offense and special defense bulk. and, of course a third pokemon makes life easier. account for it, and it will be easier to beat.

anyway, based on what you do have written already, definitely EQ, and im not sure on the item. i hate choice items, but thats just me.
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Originally Posted by Larry The Chimchar View Post
Well, my friend has been into pokemon lately(almost too much), so he asked me to battle him in a 2 vs. 2 in 'pure brute mode', or, in other words, that we simply try to k.o. each other's pokemon without any tactical aspects expect, well, pure brute. Since he is a charizard fanatic(just like I am a chimchar one),
I think its granted he will use one.

Unfortunately, I have no clue what his second pokemon might be, but I think I might fairly well start pointing fingers towards empoleon.

(I looked around and didn't find anyone mentioning a choice scarf gyara, so...)

Gyarados @ Choice scarf
Jolly @ Intimidate(duh)
4 Hp, 252 Attack, 252 Speed
-Waterfall
-Ice fang
-Return
-Stone Edge/Earthquake


Gyarados is the classic opening theme against Charizard. While I have shown my opponent the fact I have a choice scarf, he will assume I will use special attacks, since he doesn't get to do much deep research.
Waterfall is powerful, and with STAB, it reaches 120 base power. Aqua tail is a useless trade, since it has 10% less accuracy, no chance for flinch, and only 15 more total power(STAB included). Ice fang is there really only as a filler, but it can be good against dragonair, another pokemon Gyarados is more than likely to encounter. Return has a perfect coverage in OU/UU/NU enirovment, expect for shedinja and Empoleon, and my opponent would never use the former, leaving the last space with two options. Stone Edge is there for Charizard, although Waterfall beats said pokemon up fairly good anyway, while Earthquake is good against a possibly oncoming Empoleon.

Another useful fact is that gyarados has Intimidate, something that lowers Charizard physical variants.

I'll bring the next one later, should this one get comments.
#1) Charizard was never meant to be physical. Its good stat is SpAtt.
#2) Pure brute isn't really considered Competitive Battling. It's basically what 5 year-olds do with pokemon.
#3) U got ur tiers messed up.
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Here's another one. Quite offensive while being annoying.

Gengar @ Wide Lens/Leftovers
Bold @ Levitate
200 Hp, 200 Spe, 108 SpA
-Hypnosis
-Curse/Dream eater
-Shadow ball
-Focus Blast

Leftovers is there for health recovery, but with Hypnosis having such a horrible accuracy, I think I'll go with Wide Lens. Curse is only useful together with Leftovers, and lowers the opponents health while they are asleep.
Dream Eater is the choice if I go with zoom lens, and shadow ball+Focus blast are strong and have a perfect coverage. Overall, this is about making the opponent fall asleep, and then either absorb their health or rack up damage with curse and leftovers.
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Dream Eater is usually a waste of a move-slot as any competent player will switch 90% of the time. Also, Gengar lacks the natural bulk to merit any investment in it's HP and Defenses, unless of course they allow you to survive Scizor's Bullet Punch or something.
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